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MikeD · Pete Rose Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 328 Location: NYC

7/15/06 - Beers take 1, Express take 1

The first game was a classic pitcher's dual which has been pretty rare in this league, and especially on the Beers. But Jay came through and was dominant in his first start of the season giving up only 3 hits for the complete game win. The defense behind him was strong as well. The Beers' 2 hits and 5 walks were good enough for 2 runs and to secure the win.

Tom made his first start in the 2nd game and looked good despite the fact that this was his first time pitching in a while. He kept us in it for half the game and Andrew came in for the 2nd half. It was all tied up until the bottom of the 8th when the Beers intentionally walked one of the Express players with a man on 3rd but the next batter got the game-winning hit. Nigel had a good game at the plate as well as behind it going 2-3 with a walk and a run scored. The Beers struck out 8 times in the 8-Inning game.

Next Game - This weekend we have 3 games. Saturday at 12:00 PM we have a double-header against the first place Knights (17-8) at Newtown HS. Then Sunday at 8:00 AM we will try to make up our game against the Renegades (2-19) at 145th St (9-Inning game). To see who's playing, check the Attendance Thread.
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MikeD · Pete Rose Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 328 Location: NYC

What do you guys think of the last play? Hindsight is always 20/20, but maybe we should have just played corners in and tried for the double play. That guy was pretty slow and his hit turned out to be a possible double play ball..

Should we have done anything differently?
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Simon · Hall of Famer Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 89

I think we could have done three things:
1) Not intentionally walk anybody
2) Do what we did and walk one guy to get to that dude, who was flailing at pitches all game and was really a really, really slow runner.
3) Walk two guys in a row to load the bases and try to get the force at home or a double play.

I think we did the right thing to face the weak hitter. How many IF double plays have we turned this year? 0 or 1 - it's too unpredictable. If we intentionally load the bases you have to get the guy at home. With the lead the guy gets at third on a righty pitcher, the ball has to be hit hard at a corner IF for an out. You can't rely on that. In professional baseball they can try for shit like that but this ain't professional baseball. The best odds are on facing a guy who has been sucking at the plate - the odds were greater that he would strike out or hit a ball that could be played so that the runner doesn't score. With a slow guy an IF could look back the runner at third and get the out at first. Unfortunately the guy hit a ground ball up the middle - we would have lost in any of the scenarios listed above, and there was nothing we could do to change the outcome.

Andrew · 51 Cent Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 63

also, based on my walk per inning ratio there was a good chance that i might have subcontiously walked there pesky little "leader". Also i couldve as ozzie suggested threw a curveball, changeup, or better fastball. We should make a thing anybody who strikes out pays a dollar and at the end the person who gets on base the most gets all the money. I would be broke but still...

PGDarling · Hall of Famer Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 144

I don't think there's any point in second guessing, but Simon shares my thoughts exactly. It was a tight jam, and pretty much everything would have had to go right for us in order to get out of that inning, and even then we'd have to score some runs and hopefully get another scoreless inning. You can't rely on the doubleplay, and what the fat guy hit could have been totally different if we were at doubleplay depth, if you get me.

The fat guy was our best chance at a strikeout, popout, or weak grounder, which is really what we needed. He was also our best chance at a doubleplay, but I think the chances of us turning a doubleplay are lower than the chances that he hits a weak pop up or strike out or whatever.

So yeah, we made the right move, just didn't work out.

liljay · Rookie Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 4

well if u guys were paying attension i wasnt on 1st base so there would not be a double play the right move would of been walk 2 guys load the bases corners and and pray for a double play ball

MikeD · Pete Rose Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 328 Location: NYC

liljay · Rookie Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 4

i was running b4 he threw his 1st pitch yea i had a good day thanx u guys played very well also but as soon as he walked me i started to run to secondbase get caught in a run down so the guy on 3rd scores if u go after me and if u dont then i end up on second base with no double play in tact

PGDarling · Hall of Famer Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 144

Damn, I didn't know other teams read our message board... I guess that's how the opposition keeps beating us, by scouting our strategies on the message board. Surprised

Anyway we (I?) apologize if we diss anybody's players on this board, we don't mean to talk shit, we're just discussing events as if it were a private forum. And we definitely do not always get the last laugh!

Andrew · 51 Cent Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 63

Another solution wouldve been I got out everyone i faced and hit a bomb every at bat. I might flip that mental switch vs the knights. Lil jay and whoever else, be greatful you were spared

liljay · Rookie Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 4

i rocked u for 2 base hits i scored ur not that good andrew so relax urself

Andrew · 51 Cent Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 63

So why are you on the message board? You wanna be on the team? Im not that good but ill dont respect you enough to try. you are trash why dont you get on your own teams message board and asked for advice on life and baseball, or else just kill yourself. Who are you again?

MikeD · Pete Rose Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 328 Location: NYC

Andrew · 51 Cent Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 63

right of course. I resorted to that level. That chump has nerve. Anyway i will never intentionally walk anyone again, then they think they are special. Moving on hopefully it wont rain too much tommorow.

Andrew · 51 Cent Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 63

In retrospect that intentional walk was definitely a bad decision by me. It wasnt a bad idea but i shouldve just declined and challenged him and got him out. Not to dis the nycmbl but this shit is not the majors people have to challenge people. How does a dude with one hit in two games get a free pass? If the knights recruit Babe Ruth im not even gonna pitch around him if i pitch.

liljay · Rookie Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 4

no sorry it was 2 base hits there buddy one over the second baseman and a bunt single cuz u guys cant feild the ball

Andrew · 51 Cent Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 63

I guess since jay has pitched we have acquired a new fan base. The gift and the curse i guess.

Simon · Hall of Famer Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 89

Our spelling is better than yours though.

PGDarling · Hall of Famer Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 144

Easy, people.... we don't want any hostilities, geez. 1 hit, 2 hits, who cares.

Anyway Andrew, whether it's the right move or not (I personally think it was the right move), I think you gotta respect and carry out Mike's decisions. He's the manager after all. That move seemed kind of democratic, also, there seemed to be a concensus between the infield and some of the outfield (well me, anyway). Everybody's free to express doubts or suggestions, but I think Mike's gotta make the final call and we have to stand by it.

mafuxalot · Ball Player Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 10

i say we organize some kind of team fight...lets beat the crap out of anyone who beats us

Andrew · 51 Cent Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 63

right its mikes call but im not saying im that good but i know that i was better that that kid. Ive yet to meet a challenge that im not up for. Plus now that we have jay and tom we dont need to fight for close games anymore. We can now get hits and pound away. There has been only one good pitcher ive seen so far and he was that dude on the red sox and we score like 7 runs or whatever it was and we won. If we could do that then why cant we score 10 every other game?

Simon · Hall of Famer Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 89

Makes sense to me.

ashill34 · Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: yeah

you guys need to all calm down...its seems pretty clear to me that liljay is better than all of us, and clearly headed to the minors next year, and then on to the show

Scrumpy · Hall of Famer Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 48

For what its worth once there was runners on 2nd and 3rd, The Beers should have intentionally loaded the bases and played for the force at the plate.

MikeD · Pete Rose Joined: 10 May 2005 Posts: 328 Location: NYC

Wow... I'm glad I asked. I've never seen the message board so busy Smile

Liljay - smart play getting into a rundown i guess.. but risky because that's relying on the assumtion that we'll mess up, which is not a sure thing by any stretch.

In situations like that, anyone can feel free to call a quick mound conference to figure out the best move. Cause these are all good points.

Andrew, thanks for walking the batter. I know you don't like to do that. And you have a point because even the best major league hitters get out 70% of the time. I think we should have been more aggressive. Regardless of how it ended, it was still one of our better games.
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pilamds · Hall of Famer Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 137

I hope that all this conversation was because of what I had to say on the podcast. I made my views clear there and if you haven't listened to it I tore apart one member of the beers calling him horrible names and questioning his heterosexuality. If you want to find out who, you have to listen.

And yes, my rating are way down since the triangle of death controversy has ended so I need to turn to shock radio.